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abdelrahman
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The equity of development
July 21, 2005 @ 05:58 AM
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WHAT IS UR CONCEPT OF DEVELOPMET AND WHAT IS THE FIRST STEP WE-YOUTH-CAN DO TO ACHEAVE IT AND DO YO THINK THAT EGYPT GET DEVELOPING????
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Re: The equity of development
July 24, 2005 @ 06:24 AM
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well egypt dola nayma sorry namya sorry ofcourse devlopment should take some time but for youth u ve to know that u r a value u ve a price as a product in the int.market so if u wanna know what how can u devlope ask ur self what can u do and the more u can do the better ur and the more expert ur geeting to the higher ur price is try to think global and not galibal i dont mean u in particular i mean any person with no goal
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The crises of development
August 17, 2005 @ 07:30 AM
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hi fearmaker / hi all
although i agree with you in your opinion about developing ur self as a value , i think you missunderstood my question.
perhaps yoy talked from the very economic point of veiw but i think that some people think that the development is just industerial and agricultural uprising which can move us to the first raw countries, but i think that its not true , i see the development is basicly a culutural one, its concerning how the people think, do thry perefer thier own interests to the the public one??
lets think in the development in diffrent way...lets think on those taxi drivers who take from the tourists ten-dubeled charge ...lets think of those employees who just still in thier ofices till the end of the shift withuot real work.
i think that these exambles shaw us the real problem of development in our society.. its the development of minds,development of way of thinking,this is the real crises of development which we should face,
whats your opinion???????????
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abdelrahman
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Re: The equity of development
August 18, 2005 @ 05:17 AM
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Well, Abd El Rahman, I think that you did not get what fearmaker is saying. He tackled the issue not from an economic nor industrial perspective. This is only a metaphor "u r a value u ve a price as a product in the int.market".
I think both of you are talking about the same thing- or at least this is how I see it- you talk about "Developing the People Themselves" either in considering them as a value in itself, or as those who need the first step to change for development.
You are right Abd El Rahman, those taxi-drivers and the likes should realise how they contribute tremendously to the destruction of their economy, before they go nagging about "Poor Us, Awaful Country". But, this is the most difficult part of changing people. To drive them to change, they have to be motivated, and obviously, and not a secret, our Egyptian people in particular are not motivated whatsoever-let's say the majority. So, can we get those uneducated people in particular motivated to change to develop?
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Re: The equity of development
August 18, 2005 @ 05:23 AM
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What is development? This is a good question and how to act to achieve it is a better question which I will talk about.
Last Friday while we were in King Mariout, we had a similar talk on where development should start, from up or from down, up means from the government or from the people themselves?
I believe in 2 things: 1- we should develop and reform ourselves 1st as a start and then move to others and so on
2- The developmental way is a long one and it needs a plan of about 100 years from patriotic Egyptians that really care for this country so that we can really achieve and feel development.
Think of India, since like 15 years ago, how was it? It was living in extreme poverty and had many and many problems, they didn’t overcome all of it but they have really achieved great progress towards real development and in how many years? And how many year would it take India we be a developed country? i think it needs more 20 years.
Think back of Egypt, and how our chance is much better, we are only 70 Millions all of us are Egyptians and Muslims or Christians, but India has lots of religions and races and beside 1 Billion people living there.
Our chance is better but as long as we can’t find real steps from the government towards development and reform then we have the option of to start by ourselves, family, friends, streets, and so on...
That is what I think.
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August 18, 2005 @ 05:38 AM
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Moustafa cited the Indian experience, and that reminded me of what once a good Indian friend told me when I expressed my surprise and admiration at the Indian Experience:
"Simply we wanted change, and we had change. It is within"
I am a big fan of the Malaysian success- one of my reasons is that it stands as a proof against those who believe in the easy-to-think-of 'Conspiracy Theory Against Muslims'. Dr Mahathir Bin Mohamed gave a lecture at the BA almost a year ago. You can read his full speech on his two-day visit on:
http://172.16.0.6/English/lectures/mahathir_1pr.htm (scroll down for the first and second lectures)
Let me here quote him:
"It is obvious that not only will humans gain skills through experience throughout 1ife, but the skills seem to, pass on to their children and children's children. In other words skills can apparently be inherited. Today's young people are noticeably more skilful and knowledgeable than yesterdays. And certainly we are all more skilful than Our forefathers decades or centuries ago. The people of skill-backward communities are of course going to produce children who are backward in relation to the other communities even though they may still be more skilful than their forebears.
What this means is that the potential for acquiring skills are with everyone in every community. But if they are born in a backward community they are not going to inherit and develop the full potential that they have."
Enjoy 
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Re: The equity of development
August 18, 2005 @ 06:27 AM
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Wow! The Malaysian experience! This is really a great success and we should benefit from it.
But you see here in this experience that it took Malaysia 22 years to develop under Dr Mahathir Bin Mohamed.
We can do this but we need to put ourselves on the right track.
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Re: The equity of development
August 18, 2005 @ 06:52 AM
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i agree with u that we should start by ourselves, but i guess we need another something also, we need someone to lead this experiment , coz egyptians always want someone to follow- i don't mean the government- but regular citizen with high hope and clear vision, the main problem in Egypt is ( hya gt 3lya) ( howa ana elly hsla7 el kon) and so on... so if we want the real development we have to look 4 this man, by the way he isn't that far he mayb one of us but we must believe in our power and in ourselves , by the way this is not the perfect way to achieve development but it's the perfect way 4 egyptians but this doesn't mean that we must wait him , bl3ks we have 2 work hard and try to reform ourselves, then we will begin to achieve our successful experience...
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Re: The equity of development
August 18, 2005 @ 07:50 AM
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Peace be upon you all,
First I want to say that all the peoples of the world need a leader or a public figure to whom they turn to in times of danger. The Egyptian people are no exception but that does not necessarily mean that we must follow the Pharoah .It is a concept that we need to change .In fact, the question of development has become a matter of life-and death , a matter of existence in a world where surviival became only for the fittest. In a few years time , our economy will be practically destroyed by the results of the GAT treaties.The only choice is improving the national industry ,building more factories ,restoring the importance of agricultural products and raising the awareness of people as to their patriotic role in purchasing national products. However ,I agree with Abdel Rahman that development is a cultural one . But taxi drivers are not the ones to be cited when there are millionaires trying to steal more money out of the people .I think that we must capture the moment now ,becayse the people seem to be boiling with anger and thirsty for change ,that`s why I beleive that in a matter of 20 years ,development could be achieved . i can understand the claim that it might take 100 years because development is a life process that should never stop,but let it begin with us.I think that if we target the children of this country and try to reshape the education they receive from parents ,schools ,clubs and the street ;we might be then painters of success. Also, together with education,whether formal or informal ,the media is the best way to reshape the consciousness of the people and to change the sterile culture of negativity .
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Re: The equity of development
August 18, 2005 @ 08:19 AM
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Well said Kimotan begad.
"the main problem in Egypt is ( hya gt 3lya) ( howa ana elly hsla7 el kon)"... extreme passivity and reluctance to take the first step, we think like "why bother!!"
So we reached something in here, be positive... change... develop, ok waiting for the other parts of the cycle.
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Re: The equity of development
August 18, 2005 @ 08:41 AM
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hm i agree with u kimo we need someone but to start and encourge -rather than to lead- the people who lost hope !
hmm i also admit the lead took by India and Malyzia.
but i just wanna add another experience. This time it's not that far. It's inside Egypt itself, 100 % Egyptian !
i'll talk about Damitta ( DOMIAT ). The unemployment there is 0 % , they export alot of their industries, they are self-sufficent in many things. This is because they use their skills in the right way, and as "Anga" mentioned about inherting the skills that's what is happening their. Besides they specialize in what they do well, in what they have a real advantage . That's why we hear about their brilliant furniture for example, ( wel gbna el dmiaty m3 en mfish gbna khrawy!! ). what i wanna say is that we have to look for what we do well and do it rather than establishing a tramendous indutrial project mainly based on foreign experts and foreign labor to make a development. This may be done on the long run, but on the short run, we must concentrate on the skills we already have,use it the right way and try to improve it. That's my point, that development starts with what we already have and must not depend on what others have or what we can have in the future otherwise we 'll have to wait to that future !
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The equity of development
August 19, 2005 @ 09:58 AM
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hi shabab:
its very interesting to know all these experionces about the Malisian and Indian people and also about the experiment of Domiat, but i want to say that our problem truly isnt about the leader but its basicly about the consciousness of the people and youth allover the arab region. i think that our war now is a war of thoughts coz if we have alook around we can find all those youth who dont care about thier home or thier identity and even morality, so it make no meaning to build factories and schools if the people just go to it with out real aim or goal, the dangeruse illness now is the negativity and not being care of any thing, and its very vital barier for the development of any society- and its cultural one-. i think that there is no leader whoever he was can remedy such illness alone ;the role of the youth is the first step to get rid of such barier of development, and we are those youth , its supposed that we are conciderd a cultivated youth able to spread the consciousness among our colleagues ,families and children.and if we tackeled such role the leader will appear among us to support and to lead the development train.
"if we target the children of this country and try to reshape the education they receive from parents ,schools ,clubs and the street ;we might be then painters of success" i think you are right Zoya , the first step is to prepare the second generation and to rooten in them the good moralities like the posotivity and having an aim for the life,to avoid the faults which our generation trapped on.
i think if we could change these consepts and vission and way of thinking of the people we will be in the right way of acheaving developmen as i beleive _ as i said before _ that the first step to the development is a basicly acultural reform becouse i beleive that if the people understood thier abilities and thier aim in life they will acheave the equity of development:
ABILITIES + AIM + WILL = development.
thanks.
abdelrahman
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