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Injy
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Do Men Fear Women?
July 15, 2005 @ 11:10 AM
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Do really mean feel threatening when finding women just by their work station working so actively as they do- sometimes even more? And when feeling that threat, they go for the slogans of gender-role- that do not buy much nowadays- and step by step their aggrivation is felt!!!!!
Do you as an eastern man mind to have a competitive female colleague and to take your work plan and orders from your female manager??? Would you feel then that your male diginity has been undermined and hurt? Or you would think "well, I have been dreaming of that day when women are giving their places in the work field as much as my gender"!! Too difficult for an eastern to say so- maybe mistaken, do not know, you tell me.
I have an incident with a friend of mine, have known for years, and I have always thought he is that kind of carrying out "women empowerment", we were at a mobile shop, and was actually too crowded, we asked for assisstance from the smiling helpful lady at the shop, and she said "could you please wait for 10 minutes?", we waited for like 5 minutes then my friend said "come on, let's ask a man better than this stupid one!!!" Was she stupid because the shop was crowded, and she asked us to wait for 10 minutes while my friend was impatient after 5!!!
So what do you think AIMUNERS? In the session, I felt like so much you feel like saying, so I picked up this provocaive title for the discussion to tease you up  No offence meant
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Re: Do Men Fear Women?
July 15, 2005 @ 06:34 AM
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Injy,
I think you are right in many of what you said, most men do feel humilated when they find a woman doing a better job than they do.
But this not the rule, I mean that not all men do so, but the question is how many do so? are they the majority or the minority?
Also, may be you or others tell me what women empowerment is, I think that getting a clear idea about this helps more to achive it.
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Re: Do Men Fear Women?
July 17, 2005 @ 01:39 AM
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Hi Dina,
Can you explain more your view, i didnt get a clear vision of what you mean
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Re: Do Men Fear Women?
July 17, 2005 @ 04:00 AM
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I think Dina you have tackled a number of issues:
- I can claim that it goes without saying that just everyone- as far as he/she is a psychologically balanced person- wants to do a good job and be as successful as he/she could.
- I did not much get the what women empowernemnt is for you. But do not you think that one of its elements is to give equal chances to men and women?? "number of men to women in position is a result" ... Well, quantity is important, but quality as well counts. Could be saying that empowering women starts from within- as some of te delegates said last time.
- You are right, that road of gender equality, for its base educating girls must be a priority. I wonder if you had a look on The State of World Children for this year, it has a special coverage on how Egypt has succeeded so far on educating girls.
That is all I have to say in here,
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July 17, 2005 @ 04:50 AM
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i think that it is not the story of men like to see women better than them or not ,even if there where somthing like that .the only truth is that every one want to recieve a very well done job or service......about what is women empowerment ?it is not giving equal chances to women as men in the goal because the number of men to women in position is a result is a result not a fact .and the fact is that they are not qualified and empower or qualify women begain by giving them equal chances to enroll in schools 1st and remove the obstacles that may be prevent them from being as equal as men
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Doaa Mohamed Abd El-Salam
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July 19, 2005 @ 03:15 AM
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i personally think that women empowerment means giving women a fair chance to develop their minds and potentials so that they can play an active role in their families and societies. i think that women empowerment is not just sending girls to school or allowing them to work. now, a lot of girls and women are educated and are very hard workers but still are beaten up at home and harrassed in the streets. i think that in order for us to empower women, we have , first, to work hard on changing our misconceptions about women's stupidity and our degrading view of her as no more than a sex object. injy's story is quite telling and there are so many similar incidents to that. by the way this is the subject of my article which will be published on wednesday. read it and give me your feedback.
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July 19, 2005 @ 09:46 AM
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i think that when we talk about the empowerment of women we usually can ont difrantiate between the equity between the Man & woman and the semulation between them.
i think that the equity between man & woman is a must . as they are all human being and there is no mental diffrance between them.
as for me i apretiates some of women more than some men becouse of thier prevailing mind and thoughts.
but talking about the simulation between Man & woman i think that there is a phesiological & psycological difrance between them.
so that there is an important & extraordinary job that no man whoever he was can do which is to grow up the new generation .
and that doesnt reduse the respect of the woman in the society .
i think that it was the fault of the all society to reserve some costomes and thouts which abuses the mind (and some times the humanity of the woman so i think that the empowerment of the woman is to get rid of such thouts and costoms not by runing after the men tring to prove thier selves neglecting thier fimininty and their families .
finally no one can reduce from the importance of the woman and her intelegane in the society but women should trust themselves and play thier owen natural role in the society.
thanks.
i hope an answer .
Abdel_rahman
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Re: Do Men Fear Women?
July 20, 2005 @ 04:23 AM
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well, i think if a male took my position ill get angry cause what i care 4 is the position not who took it any way when it comes to male /female isue i guess its worse due to our culture that a woman who is supposed tp be home sitting beated u and tok ur place its i guess more about the way u see ur self cause u know quiet well that she isnt a looser @ her house as u r and more than that she is better than u even in the qaulifications of the work simply she is better than u so u feel a shamed from ur self cause ur nt capable of what she is doing abt ur freind i think he was angry cause he saw a model that he didnt think he could meet i mean he problu dont work so when a girl comes and tell him wait she working in charge and giving orders and asking him to wait from his piont i guess who the hell is she so who is he in the l;abour force market it about that no one would like to accept to face the fact if u cant proced and add fast ur not in the upper pos
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July 20, 2005 @ 08:19 AM
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to fear maker:
اردت الكتابة هذه المرة باللغة العربية لسببين أولهما تشجيع من يخشون خوض النقاش لانه بالإنجليزيه ثانيهما لآخذ راحتي في الحديث في هذا الموضوع على وجه الخصوص, انا اتمنى ان اكون قد فهمت كلامك على النحو الصحيح وبناء على ذلك أجيب عليه .
في البدية اتعجب من اننا وصلنا لمرحلة تحول فيها التكامل المفترض بين الرجل والمرأة إلى ندية والندية إلى صراع فتتكلم عن الرجل الذي يخشى ان تاخذ المرأة مكانه وتسلبه تفوقه فيسعى لإبقائها في المنزل ويلح في ضربها .
هل هذا ما وصلنا إليه أين ما قال عنه المولى وجعلنا بينكم مودة ورحمة , ثم من هذا الذي قلل من شأن المرأة وقال أنها أصلا أقل من الرجل؟؟ ان هذا كلام غير صحيح
اننا هنا نتحدث عن ما يجب ان يكون اعلم ان هناك اوضاع خاطئة ولكن علاجها لا يكون بمزيد من الاخطاء اتحدث عن رجل يحترم زوجته وعن زوجة تقدر زوجها عن الوضع الامثل لتكوين الاسره ان ما نعانيه في مجتمعنا من تدهور اخلاقي وانهيار اجتماعي ليس لشيء إلا لغياب دور الأسرة التي هي اللبنة الأولى في اي مجتمع وانهيار الأسرة يؤدي بطبيعة الحال لانهيار المجتمع.
نتفق على احترام المرأة وتقديرها ولكن نختلف وكلنا على قدر من الصواب قل او كثر عن هذا الأسلوب الأمثل للأسره ترى ما هو الأمثل؟ هل انطلاق الرجل والمرأة للبحث عن المادة وتجاهل الجوانب الأخرى هو الأمثل وفي هذه الحالة يتولى أمر التربية مربيات او حضانات او حتى مدارس في ظل ذلك النهيار الاخلاقي في مرحلة يكون الطفل فيها مجرد اداة استقبال لكل ما يراه او يسمعه من بذاءات ليست بعيدة عن هذه الأوساط , وإذا كانت هناك أهمية لجلوس أحد الأبوين مع الصغار فهل يجلس الاب وتعمل الام وهل يستطيع الاب ان يملا فراغ غياب الام وإذا كان هذا ضروريا لماذا نعكس الادوار التي ارشدنا إليها الله
تعالى لماذا تعمل المرأة داخل البيت وخارجه أليس في هذا ظلم لها وأين من هذا جمعيات الدفاع عن المرأة أم أن هذه الجمعيات تهدف فقط إلى دفع المرأة إلى الهاوية والزج بها في مواطن الخطر أتمنى على من كل من يقرأ هذا الكلام أن يفكر فيه بروية وألا يندفع إلى الإجابة بعقل منغلق وليفكر ثم يكتب ما يخرخ به ويناقش الحجة بالحجة ويقرع البرهان بالبرهان وشكرا
عبد الرحمن محمود
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July 20, 2005 @ 08:49 AM
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well u know ,personally, i do not oppose the idea of the working woman, on contrary i'm with this idea as long as this work isnt from the kind that humilates the female and uses her & also as long as this does not affect her family and their rights coz being a good mother when it is needed is much more important that her work also being a good wife if she cant be so while working is better for her, for her family and for all the society . this is not everything, but i guess that sometimes we need the working woman and even in some jobs women do better than men! and in my own opinion and it is so personal i dont have any problem to have an order from a woman or to be supervised by her. but u know what really drives me mad !! is that tone every hmmm _ not every woman but most women _ are playing ..the equality issue !! i 'm not opposing it but i think that we men should reunion to face women now adays ! what equality ? women now have mostly all their rights they participate in every feild of social & political life ! EXCEPT those that they cant ! its women nature ! GOD CREATION ! what shall we do towards this ? u know for those women who are still claiming equality: more equality means more responsibilties and more obligations that a woman really can not manage not coz she is inferrior but coz of her nature. so try to relax or think about joining the armed forces as in the west !
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July 20, 2005 @ 09:39 AM
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EQUALITY, what's the definition of equality ?? is it means the same amount of right and obligations between the malesa nd females , from my point of view this is not the equality coz each one of them has his own abilities , his own way of thinking and i think that this was done in the favor of human life, so i think that we can't apply the absolute equality coz this will lead to unreasonable results like mayb women will have 2 join the army , or men will have the right to get a holiday at birth of their children!!!!so i'm not with the absolute equality coz it's against the nature of life but ofcourse i'm not with unfairness treatment just because of gender, so finally i guess everyone is authorized to do things the other can't do and if evryone did so we will reach the real equality whatever the nature of this work ... ( no hard feelings )
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July 24, 2005 @ 04:02 AM
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In a research done in the Arabic countries they made a voting to see the vision of arab concerning women empowerment they asked
Do women have equal chance to complete her education and get universal education?the answer was always yes
But when they asked :If there is only 1 chance for work and 1 man and 1 women wanna have it wish one u choose ?the answer was always of corse the man.
Actually this is what we need to change .it is only the ur quality that make u qualified to take the job not ur gender …….
If some one tries to tell me that the man is is the head of house and he is responsible on every thing .i will answer that also there are many house headed by women and who suffer and need an opportunity to live
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Interesting Recent Report
July 24, 2005 @ 05:22 AM
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http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/indwm/ww_specialRep.pdf
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yehia moh.ramadan
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July 24, 2005 @ 06:45 AM
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thx abd el re7man but i would like to calrify my self more and answer some athoer points ofcourse the complete equlity isnt whats required simply cause she can join the army and do what ever but this is taking the guys nature so @ this point she shouldnt be treated as a lady however i think when it comes to work she can work in the feild that keep her still that presiouce crteatuer i mean being a teacher isnt a sin and it doesnt mean that she is infrior such work and other she is so elcomed in as a lady if she wich to enetr the man world work then no prob its a man world hi miss wo man or was a woman she is a man right now but any way its about priorties she choose her famliy her work her self her equlty.
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yehia moh.ramadan
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July 25, 2005 @ 05:02 AM
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yeh molto i agree with u it mmore abt the qualifications rather than the gender but i guess it ve smth to do with the way we r raised up it always known that we raise our kids that the an is better and i guess that we ve to go back to the history to read how did it start in order to try to know how to change it but if we cant we can simply try to make lots of evidnces abt our point but most of our women dont ve the guts and whaty more that they dont wish to see them selves in any other way i mean dont look at our society i mean our class go to other regions in egypt see how ishe is so oobedient as if she was made to be so1. thoise are the ones who need equaltiy not any other ones cause if u dont get a fair opportuinites in job it ok but when it comes to ve the least right taken this is a prob i mean for humanity sake she is a human not an alien or a slave see the diamond with no rust its not coal.
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